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Thank you so much for this. So appreciated tonight! I've followed your work for ages and am an active member of Simon's Hopium Community . I was on Threads (& also on the "site formerly known as Twitter" (ugh, I don't like it there) - - it's so depressing. Dems are depressed, not sure exactly why. It's not like Harris laughed too loud or wore the wrong color shoes or anything...

Trump having Putin on speed-dial while he flipped through stolen classified documents & sent off covid testing machines to Russia -- and the disinformation about FEMA's hurriciane relief -- well, THAT'S reason to be depressed - oh - - - and the lack of media attention to those things.

But I do have a question that's driving me crazy (ier). I was looking at some Kaiser (KFF) data re: turnout to confirm my hunch that women are more reliable voters vs. men. Like, in 2022 Wisconsin had a respectable midterm average turnout of 61% -- but WOMEN turned out at 63.2% ...men at 58.4%. That's a fair amount of female turnout!

QUESTION: Do (can) pollsters build this into their samples/models? Or is it just too hard to predict turnout even with historical data? Might the "female turnout factor" have an impact, esp. post-Dobbs? I mean, I'm way post-menopausal and the GOP guys all tell me I shouldn't CARE - but I have a GRANDDAUGHTER who I moved across the country to help raise (Wisconsin to Oregon).

SO

I am not engaged in this elecrtion. I AM ENRAGED.

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Oct 10Edited

Thank you for what you've done here!

Building on something you mentioned about younger voters - I realize that with small samples any lead can be "slight" and within the MOE, but Trump led 18-34 in the Michigan QPac head-to-head by a full 10 points. Harris led by 18 in their poll of Michigan from four weeks earlier. Harris leads 18-34 by 14 in their PA poll yesterday, the only one of the three states she led. Trump also led 18-34 in QPac's polls of NC and GA last week, the former by 14 points.

There is no consistency on polling with this group within 40+ points of margin, either within QPac's state and national polls or anyone else's, which is a big issue for the headline because they make up 12% or 13% of most modeled electorates - this issue alone is swinging polls by more than 5 points toward Trump at the extremes. I deal with anxiety by reading crosstabs, and if Harris leads any poll of anywhere by more than 10 points with young people, she leads by several points. If she doesn't, it's a mixed bag. Harris's edge in the Harvard Youth Survey is enormous - 31 points with likely voters and 25 points in the "battleground" subsample, and there are polls that find this as well, like this week's NYT/Siena with a 21-point lead.

So what to believe? Don't trust any polling at all... in 2020 Biden won Michigan 18-29 by 24, 61-37. PA and WI were within a couple points. The D margin went up just a little in 2022 from there. Since? Biden was old, Kamala is brat, and as you note young men have terrible online role models (though as I learned from a podcast you were on Joe Rogan isn't really unfriendly at this point). We can't know how that will come out in the wash, but I don't think Trump is going to flip a demographic that has gone for the Democrat by 19+ in every election since 2008 and to whom Kamala is perceived as having a uniquely strong appeal.

(and thank you for giving me a place to write this down, even if no one ever reads it)

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